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Vice Presidential Hopeful Dispenses Advice: Pass Marijuana Measures

Jim Gray of the Libertarian ticket visited Imperial Beach to endorse Prop. S and similar efforts.

Visiting Imperial Beach, the Libertarian Party candidate for vice president said Friday that if local voters have any “integrity or open-mindedness at all,” the city’s marijuana measure will “pass by 70 or 80 percent.”

Jim Gray, running mate to Gary Johnson on the Libertarian ticket, held a noon press conference at The Legacy Center to endorse Proposition S and similar ballot measures in three other cities Nov. 6.

Voters in Lemon Grove, Del Mar and Solana Beach also will pass judgment on measures seeking medical marijuana dispensaries.

Gray said marijuana should be regulated like alcohol, and calls America’s war on drugs “the biggest failed policy in the history of the United States of America second only to slavery.”

“You can abolish all these dispensaries if you want to. It will not—mark my words—decrease the amount of marijuana used in this town at all. It’ll just push it underground,” he said.

“There won't be any quality control, there won’t be any age restrictions to address, there won’t be any taxation. All of these sorts of things will be left to the bad guys.”

City Council candidate Erika Lowery, who said she plans to vote yes on Prop. S, was among those attending the gathering of about 10 people at the Palm Avenue center.

Gray also was in San Diego for Libertopia 2012 at Shelter Island and discussed issues ranging from immigration and taxes to jobs and what he would have said had he been part of Thursday evening’s debate.

He said he watched the failure of American drug policy firsthand while presiding over cases as a judge in Orange County in the 1980s and early 1990s.

Gray urged voters to “take away a whole lot of money, lots and lots of money from juvenile street gangs. Let’s take away a whole lot of money from Mexican drug cartels and a lot of other thugs.”

Gray is not an Imperial Beach resident, but urged IB voters to see drug issues as something to manage, not moralize about.

“I’m just asking that people here in Imperial Beach and these other cities considering this—that you give it serious consideration. That’s all they have to do.

“[Because] if they do that [with] any form of integrity or open mindedness at all, it’ll pass by 70 or 80 percent,” he said.

People who aren’t seriously in need of medicine will game the system, he said, but that shouldn’t prevent patients from gaining access.

“That’s a regulation problem,” he said. “And the answer is: If they’re breaking the state law, for heaven’s sake prosecute them.”

San Diego Democrats endorsed Prop. S. But San Diego Republicans have urged a “no” vote on the measure, which calls for legalization of medical marijuana dispensaries.

Opponents of the proposition, which include Mayor Jim Janney and current and former members of the IB City Council, argue that the ordinance does not give the city the ability to reject business licenses and would lead to marijuana “hangouts.”

Opponents call the measure “a deceitfully conceived attempt to allow for proliferation of large-scale pot shops.”

Funding in the race is lopsided.

As of Oct. 5, the Yes on S campaign has received more than $60,000, primarily from people outside of IB. Citizens Against Prop. S raised about $300.

Click here to see for/against arguments and to read the Safe Access Ordinance of Imperial Beach in its entirety.

Bong Sativa October 20, 2012 at 07:24 AM
As Attorney General & California's chief law enforcement officer it's Kamala Harris's duty to make sure that Imperial Beach comply with all existing medical marijuana laws ! And since recent Appellate Court decisions found that storefront dispensaries are legal under state law & that cities are "pre-empted" from banning them,the sooner someone shows up from the AG's office the better ! All the communities chosen for these measures had a majority of their voters vote in favor of legalizing marijuana in 2010 & were considered most likely to approve reasonable regulation in their communities ! Every citizen in California has a vested interest in seeing that every city abide by state law regardless of what city they actually reside in ! To allow one city to defy state law only encourages others to attempt to do the same & we're not about to suffer these fools lightly anymore !
Libi Uremovic October 20, 2012 at 01:47 PM
that's a good idea jon...call the feds and report the crime of individual liberty and the right to prosper in a free society......i'd love to hear the fed's plan to close down honest businessmen while protecting & arming the drug cartels explained to me in full detail.... ..... maybe if you heard from them personally it might just sink in ... call the feds and report the crime of the century ....this city and state is going to open stores and develop their economy and it's going to take away business from the drug cartels and government bureaucracy ... and that's terrible, right jon...? ...and maybe they'll bring you a 'i love government control' poster signed autographed by your buddy a/g holder since you've been such a good little servant ... bring the feds jon.... you can pack the room with threats from the government, but i don't work for the government jon...the government works for me .... ...and if they can't figure out their jobs they're going to get off my payroll ...
Jon Hall October 20, 2012 at 03:45 PM
In response to Bong Sativa --- thank you for providing the information --- that this scheme is targeting small communities in hopes of getting Pot Stores approved since y'all can't get anywhere with your quest in the courts Here is your post --- I have highlighted/separated it so voters can more easily see the truth (and what you think of the opposition) ... Bong Sativa - 12:24 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012 As Attorney General & California's chief law enforcement officer it's Kamala Harris's duty to make sure that Imperial Beach comply with all existing medical marijuana laws ! And since recent Appellate Court decisions found that storefront dispensaries are legal under state law & that *****cities are "pre-empted" from banning them***** the sooner someone shows up from the AG's office the better ! *****All the communities chosen for these measures had a majority of their voters vote in favor of legalizing marijuana in 2010 & were considered most likely to approve reasonable regulation in their communities***** *****Every citizen in California has a vested interest in seeing that every city abide by state law regardless of what city they actually reside in***** *****To allow one city to defy state law only encourages others to attempt to do the same & we're not about to suffer these fools lightly anymore*****
Jon Hall October 20, 2012 at 03:47 PM
Wanted to HIGHLIGHT this part ... ***** All the communities chosen for these measures had a majority of their voters vote in favor of legalizing marijuana in 2010 & were considered most likely to approve reasonable regulation in their communities ***** Local initiative my ass ...
Libi Uremovic October 20, 2012 at 04:55 PM
it's a product that's grown in this state jon....the farmers, retailers, & consumers are all members of our community.... and they are all small businessmen.... hundreds of california small businessmen that pay taxes and contribute to their communities and deserve the same rights to prosper as everyone else... it's ridiculous that the people have to fight the government for their right to prosper in a free society... but it's time that we the people stand up and take back our cities and state... in establishing laws the costs must be weighted with the benefits legalizing weed in cali would create jobs, generate tax revenue for the state, stop funding to the drug cartels, and allow law enforcement to focus on hard-core drug activity. ... i consider those pluses jon, but you consider those negatives....
Jon Hall October 20, 2012 at 05:13 PM
That argument is total Bull Libi --- there isn't a thing in any initiative that says the *farmers* are local --- or even in the USA for that matter However, I do like the picture you are trying to paint --- an old hippie out tending his fields while the *sick folks* wait patiently at the commune for their relief Almost brings a tear to these tired old eyes ...
Libi Uremovic October 20, 2012 at 05:56 PM
how about the picture of a 30 year old entrepreneur producing their own revenue so that they can feed their children instead of being at the mercy of a corporation or the government? how about the vision of a vacant building being rented and people having jobs ? it's a big joke for you and your generation because you plan to live off government subsidies... but it's not a joke to the next generation who's getting stuck with the bill for your poor choices... why don't you try visiting a weed store jon....they will show you on a map what part of cali the weed is grown because it makes a difference... just like wine....
Bong Sativa October 20, 2012 at 07:21 PM
It really doesn't matter who started or bankrolled Measure S,what matters is the decision the voters make on election day as local voters will ultimately decide this unnecessarily controversial issue. The Appellate Court ruled that medical marijuana collectives authorized under H & S 11362.775 "are permitted by state law to perform a dispensary function" & that local bans against medical marijuana dispensaries contradicts the legislatures intent & that contradiction is "direct,patent,obvious & palpable" ! Unless the State Supreme Court reverses the lower court decisions (& they've ruled in our favor everytime so far) there will be medical marijuana dispensaries in Imperial Beach shortly regardless of whether Measure S passes or not ! It's not surprising that otherwise law-abiding citizens (the bad guys) would advocate defying state laws they oppose,but in this case it's the patients,caregivers & cooperatives (the good guys) who are abiding by the law & demanding that their elected leaders do the same !!!
Jon Hall October 20, 2012 at 11:28 PM
Kind of bitter are we ???
Jon Hall October 20, 2012 at 11:35 PM
Gotta love folks like *Bong Sativa* (nice play on words advocate) --- they will spend day after day telling everyone how corporate/government influence & interference is destroying out quality of life but when it is pointed out that Proposition S, and all the other Pot Store measures, are being bankrolled by powerful outside interests --- who will surely get even more wealthy if this passes --- we are told *** It really doesn't matter who started or bankrolled Measure S *** Funny how it is *different* when it is something YOU agree with Bong ...
Libi Uremovic October 21, 2012 at 01:10 AM
powerful outside interests ? name them...name one multimillion dollar corporation that's bankrolling yes on s or any weed initiative in this state name one foreign country that will profit from legalizing weed? our presidential campaign is expected to spend over a billion dollars.... they have developed pacs and super pacs to bypass laws so that millions can be poured into the election... and it was you and your political party that screamed for the ability of big money and outside interests to take over our presidential election do you remember taking that position jon? prop s has raised a total of $60,000 and every penny has come from the people of cali.....there is no big money ...there are no corporations....there is no money from foreign countries because they have no financial interest in legalizing weed... you believe whatever they tell you jon... even when basic math and common sense are right in front of you...
Libi Uremovic October 21, 2012 at 02:35 AM
i knew a guy that grew about a dozen weed plants in his mom's back yard...it paid her property taxes and allowed her to live a comfortable life through her retirement years... ...your solution is for everyone to live off the government... and beg money from china to pay for it....
Summer Hemphill October 22, 2012 at 05:09 PM
All medical marijuana co-ops are required to be run on a non-profit basis in California. Technically the law doesn't say it prohibits sales for profit,it says that it doesn't authorize sales for profit. Those who operate dispensaries are entitled to draw a salary & many are unionized & compensate their employees with decent wages & benefits. Dispensary operators provide a vital public service at considerable personal risk of federal prosecution even though their activities are completely legal under California law. 81% of Americans now support the medical use of marijuana,72% believe you shouldn't be jailed for it's use & 50% believe it should be completely legal nationwide. And as to the quality of life; having 700+ dispensaries in Los Angeles has had no measurable detrimental impact on our community,in fact studies have shown that crime decreases in the areas near them due to their security measures. Nobody is getting rich supplying doctor recommended medication to patients & the illegal ban on storefront dispensaries is a detriment to the health of those for whom marijuana supplies relief. Funny how some want to dwell on who advocates & supports these measures because it suits their political agenda,but has nothing to do with the issue at hand. Get the facts,know the truth & don't be swayed by anti-marijuana haters who are as callous as they are clueless. Tell your friends & neighbors to Vote Yes on S for "safe & legal access" to medical marijuana for patients in IB today.
Libi Uremovic October 22, 2012 at 05:35 PM
"...All medical marijuana co-ops are required to be run on a non-profit basis in California. .." i don't know if that's a requirement by cali law - marcus and eugene might know... ...but i know people run the weed businesses as non profit because the irs does not allow the same business deductions for weed stores that are allowed for other businesses... this is something we'll change because the irs does not have the right to single out an industry or demographic for persecution... the attorney general's office has gun restrictions tied to people that possess marijuana cards... how did this happen....where's the political party that should be screaming for the rights of small business and the 2nd amendment....??
Summer Hemphill October 22, 2012 at 10:15 PM
Because the states rights & family values folks are just as hypocritical about this issue as any other that they stick their unwelcome noses into ! they're all for a rigid interpretation of the law when it suits their purposes,but they'll be the first ones to complain about activist judges when a ruling goes against them ! They're appalled by decisions in favor of abortion rights or gay marriage while simultaneously defying & obstructing state law regarding medical marijuana & appealing to the Feds to intercede when the state courts continuously side with the voters & Legislature instead ! Hundreds of thousands of Californians have a doctor's recommendation to use marijuana for some medical reason & the question isn't whether they can legally use marijuana (that has been well established); the question is why don't they have "safe & legal access" to it in Imperial Beach to which they're are entitled under current state law ? And of course the answer is there's no good reason that any intelligent person cognizant of all the facts involved won't reject the specious propaganda of the law defying obstructionists who refuse to face the reality of their neighbors using marijuana ! They need to wake up,grow up or both because they're out of touch with what the majority of their constituents desire ! That's why everyone with a heart & a brain is going to Vote Yes on S !!!
Marcus Boyd October 25, 2012 at 12:28 AM
@Jon Hall... Just wanted to keep you up-to-date with the case I told you was laughed out of the court... http://americansforsafeaccess.org/downloads/Jackson_Appeal_Ruling.pdf They did EXACTLY what I told you they'd do! Storefronts are not only legal, they are necessary for many patients - according to the Fourth Appellate Court. You just keep painting yourself into your tight lil' corner - just like D.A. Limpberg, and you'll just keep being laughed at too!
Jon Hall October 25, 2012 at 03:40 AM
Marcus --- got the link you sent --- along with your funny interpretation of the ruling --- which did nothing but send the case back to the DA with instructions to allow the defendant to use the MMPA defense --- but it clearly stated it was up to the jury to either accept or reject the MMPA defense --- and they added the following orders: (from the ruling) ... As we explain, where, as here, a collective has a large membership, the overwhelming number of whom do not, in any fashion, participate in the operation or governance of the collective and there is evidence of a high volume of purchases by the members, a trier of fact could reasonably conclude that, notwithstanding Jackson's testimony to the contrary, the organization is a profit-making enterprise which distributes marijuana to customers rather than to members of a nonprofit collective organization and is therefore outside the scope of the defense offered by the MMPA. Thus, on remand, the jury should be instructed that in determining whether Jackson is entitled to a defense, the jury must determine whether the collective he participates in is a profit-making enterprise and further that in resolving that question, it should consider, in addition to other evidence of profit or loss, the size of the collective's membership, the volume of purchases from the collective and the members' participation in the operation and governance of the collective.
Marcus Boyd October 25, 2012 at 04:03 AM
Correct, non-profit collectives are unarguably legal. Thanks for posting it.
Jon Hall October 25, 2012 at 01:21 PM
No one, including myself, has ever said collectives were illegal --- even the Feds will not enforce a ban against a collective (which, by definition, is two or more qualified patients who grow their own Marijuana for personal consumption) What has been deemed illegal, and the case you are so proud to quote doesn't change that, is that Pot Stores --- places where non-growers come to purchase from Dealers in a for-profit establishment Collectives are good --- they allow for those who need Pot to relieve chronic pain a Federally Legal way to get it --- unfortunately there are some (like the defendant in the case you love so much) who decided to attempt to redefine collective to mean 1000's of people --- and he then decided it was OK to become their supplier Remember this simple premise: Collectives --- YES Pot Stores --- NO
Libi Uremovic October 25, 2012 at 01:58 PM
jon, the tax code is skewed against weed stores so they are forced to be non-profit collectives instead of sole proprietors or partnerships ... prostitutes and street drug dealers are able to claim tax deductions that are excluded from a proprietor of a weed store ... our federal government supplies weapons and protects the turf of drug cartels while threatening prosecution of legitimate businesses ... we have a hemorrhaging federal debt and our government officials only objective is to restrict small business and individual rights...on a local or national level... look at the people who signed the no on prop s side..... the sheriff's dept and the 3 elected officials that are responsible for putting the city millions of dollars in debt with b.s. construction projects to nowhere... how are we going to change our communities and country unless we stop following the people that have done nothing in the past but lead us off a cliff..? we've tried it your way for 30 years jon...and we can see the results.....let's try giving the power to the people and see if we have more positive results for our city and state... and if the horrors that are envisioned actually occur we can always give the money and power back to the government and drug cartels.... and then you'll be 'safe' again, right jon..?
Jon Hall October 25, 2012 at 02:19 PM
Libi --- The California Statute is written to allow for personal cultivation & non-profit collectives --- and the current case being litigated is addressing that very issue --- in fact, it asks a simple question: Is a Pot Store that sells to 1000's of people who have nothing to do with the cultivation, operation, or maintenance of the store really a non-profit collective or is actually a for-profit retailer (no different than Walmart) ??? Remember LIbi --- not everything is a deep dark conspiracy ...
Jack Fisher October 26, 2012 at 03:07 AM
Am I missing something or is this article correct that IF Prop S passes, the pot will not be taxed? http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/oct/25/clear-thinking-needed-on-dopey-propositions/?fb_comment_id=fbc_459777240741740_5043813_459830220736442#f3883a60e3cb982
Jack Fisher October 26, 2012 at 03:07 AM
Also is there still a meeting\debate about prop S happening on Tuesday?
Libi Uremovic October 26, 2012 at 03:14 AM
5% state tax is collected from all weed sales and whatever the city taxes...does anyone know what rate the city taxes weed sales?
Eugene Z. Davidovich October 26, 2012 at 03:17 AM
You are definitely missing something and I have no idea what Libi is talking about. I have never heard of a "weed tax". The story you cite Jack is not news or even fact based. It is opinion. It is in the opinion section, and doesn't even have a specific name attached to it. Proposition S requires in fact mandates that ALL state and city taxes be paid. How much is sales tax in IB? This is how much would have to be charged on top of each transaction if Prop S passes. This means money directly into the city coffers. As for your question about the town hall meeting, yes it is still on. It is on Tuesday at 6pm at the Legacy Center (1237 Palm). The town hall will be an opportunity for you and anyone else interested to come out, ask any questions you may have directly from the people who helped author this measure. I look forward to seeing you Tuesday.
Jack Fisher October 26, 2012 at 03:26 AM
Eugene thank you fro clarifying the tax issue. I plan to be there on Tuesday, but like I mentioned before I hope it will planned and enforced as an opportunity to get information, discuss ideas, and share opinions without it being an attack to either sides.
Eugene Z. Davidovich October 26, 2012 at 03:37 AM
Jack, you are very welcome. I'm glad you're coming. The opposition has refused to join the panel, so if you are hoping to see Diane, Dee, the Mayor, or anyone else from the so called 'Citizens Against S" speak, then you will be disappointed. This will be a town hall meeting where you and anyone else from the public can ask questions of the people who helped author the initiative. If your plan is to come and attack the people who helped author the initiative like some of the politicians have, I would suggest staying at home.
Libi Uremovic October 26, 2012 at 04:02 AM
5% is the state sales tax that is charged to marijuana sales... and what ever percentage the cities charge... it's the state sales' tax...i didn't mean to imply it was an 'extra' tax...but weed sales pay state and local sales taxes ,...
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