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Should City Use Big Signs To Advertise City Council Meetings?

Photo credit: Khari Johnson
Photo credit: Khari Johnson
Originally published 2:33 p.m. Dec. 9.

Chuck Quisenberry has made more comments at Imperial Beach City Council meetings in recent weeks than any other local resident who is not a city employee or elected official.

He has voiced an opposition to new zoning code changes, Seacoast Drive lighting and other topics presented to city council recently.

This week Quissenberry, who lives in the Seaside Point neighborhood and is a longtime Imperial Beach resident, again requested signs be used to notify local residents about upcoming city meetings.

“I did see the sign trailer up there today advertising Christmas Comes to Imperial Beach. That’s a really good thing you want people to go there. On the other hand twice before this I have suggested that we use that very same sign trailer to inform the public of these council meetings because an informed, participatory group of people is going to make better decisions. That’s democracy. We want people here we want people to be involved with the city. It seems as if something important Christmas at the beach is equally important as the future of our city to me."

"I would say let’s follow up on this guys. Let’s get that sign truck out there and let’s inform the people of the city and let’s get them in here to these meetings and see what’s going on.”

Do you think the signs often used to advertise waterfront events should be used to advertise city council meetings or to do more than advertise events or traffic advisories at times?

Would you be more likely to attend meetings if you saw them advertised on big, electric signs? Share in comments.
G Travalini December 10, 2013 at 10:08 AM
good idea Chuck.
Libi Uremovic December 10, 2013 at 12:16 PM
tape recordings of past council meeting should be available on the website so people can review what is actually said....
CATHY December 10, 2013 at 12:33 PM
Good idea.
R Keen December 10, 2013 at 01:37 PM
Libi - Excellent idea! That's easy to setup, and there should be a log for better transparency.
Ed Kravitz December 11, 2013 at 01:00 AM
Should the city publish agendas in the local adjudicated newspapers prior to council meetings too? I have been attempting for almost 12 years with repeated requests directly to the council and in writings and publishings. Without public notification prior to the meetings....previous councils have operated in almost total secrecy. Another point that should be made is that if council wants to do something in secret, besides not publishing agendas before meetings they also can have closed sessions and consent agenda items with no public discussion. In the past...the only time that council wanted people to show up at council meetings was when they were rehearsed cheerleaders and "wringers" attempting to create the illusion of concensus by the public....at least on the minutes. Prior to SaveIB.com and now the Patch....99% of the people didn't have a clue what was going on. If they use enough complicated legal language the average layman probably wouldn't understand a lot of the agenda items without an attorney. I will say the Andy Hall is not Gary Brown and that he has shown significantly more effort than his predecessor at addressing these issues. A new staff member was introduced to council at the last meeting and Andy Hall told me that they were working on creating "Streaming Video On Demand" so citizens could watch the meetings. The saddest part is that most of the real damage has already been done by previous incarnations of City Council who pretty much stacked the deck under the cover of confidentiality...since neither paper printed the agendas prior to council meetings for say...the last 12-14 years. Andy Hall did respond to my request to get these items published and the Eagle Times told him maybe on a special occasion...but on a regular basis...the answer was no! Historically the Eagle Times and Union Tribune have been the cheerleaders and the spinners of fiction on behalf of those at City Hall. There is more real information available now on the Patch....and I commend Khari and Patch for their good work. Unfortunately...how can you un-do the mis-deeds of those who pretty much held meetings under the radar for so many years. Use the signs...use the newspapers....By the way Chuck...I was the first one in council chambers to applaud your comments and it seemed like the majority of those present agree. There's lots of work left to do. It might just be that minimal citizen involvement and input is really wanted...since the decision is probably already been made prior to the little theatre and vote that is called a city council meeting in Imperial Beach. I applaud new city manager Andy Hall for addressing these issues as I have also asked for the video stream from the public camera for over 9 years....and the tax payers paid for it. If Andy Hall can turn it around and make city government really transparent....We should all thank him. If he and his new tech savy employee can really do what they say....it will be great. FOLLOW THROUGH MR. CITY MANAGER and you will earn the much needed respect of the community. Your predecessor didn't think it was important and kept all uncomforable or transparency issues off the agendas all together. I have personal experience ....not being able to get an agenda item. One person cannot change the system just by getting elected. Staff has jumped Council through hoops for years....So Who's in charge down there now....and who will try to un-do the illegal and secret ordainances past under the radar for so many previous years. This community needs lots more people to go down to council meetings and let their voices be heard in order to mold the kind of community that everyone wants. If you don't use your freedom of speech...you will loose it. I'm waiting for my streaming video ....on demand.
Dante Pamintuan December 11, 2013 at 07:44 PM
Mr. Quissenberry, I wholeheartedly agree with you. Thank you for speaking up. As your neighbor, I applaud your efforts and great ideas. Thank you.
IBREM December 12, 2013 at 12:56 AM
What about an permanent electronic sign in the triangle spot where they have the banner signs hanging...
Jean Villard December 12, 2013 at 01:15 PM
The electronic sign has been discussed in the past at Triangle park. I believe the Chamber of Commerce or the BID (Business Improvement District) will know more about this. if I remember cost was a big factor then and also I would guess a traffic study of some sort.
caesarina keri December 12, 2013 at 03:54 PM
I would like to talk to Chuck, Quisenberry ab out the unlawful building being done at YMCA Camp Surf here in IB, without proper EIR documents. What they did the last time was pencil=-whip a piece of paper literally in pencil....on the questions about the environmental impacts to their illegal building blocking our Ocean Views on the Shore of the Camp. The Navy just rubber-stamps their paper as no one objects. We had a signed petition 3 years ago when they tried it and the Navy just skirted the issue and said that they never got our petition & letter. Now we need to square off with them as they continue to build these block buildings out of the context of the bamboo and canvas ones that they are allowed to have...and they do whatever they want with impunity as nobody stops them. I need some help with this please........Susan Davis' Office got me the environmental fiasco paper 3 yrs ago.....now Vargas is our guy. Pls contact me if you want to help us. Tx....Rina Kelley
Libi Uremovic December 12, 2013 at 06:20 PM
'...I would guess a traffic study of some sort. ...' they can no longer use the excuse that traffic will slow down to read the sign ....traffic on palm has been 'redeveloped' into a standstill ....
Ed Kravitz December 12, 2013 at 07:56 PM
RE: YMCA Buildings. Part of the land that Camp Surf sits on actually belongs to the City Of Imperial Beach. I did a series of stories about this years ago on the old SaveIB.com site. Seems that the Navy returned property to Imperial Beach that had been taken under the War Powers Act back around World War II and that it returned custody of the property back to the city. The three ladies (Las Tres......) and the SWIA influence including the Careys and a certain political action committe made a deal to sign the property over to the YMCA by executing a M.O.U. or Memorandum of Understanding between the City and the YMCA but the deed /title recorded still showed U.S. Government as the the recorded owner. So they never recorded transfer of the property to Imperial Beach when they did the M.O.U. Two of the women on the council lived less than 500 feet from Carnation and Camp Surf when they voted. Of course it wasn't advertised in the Eagle Times or Union Tribune until after the vote. I was interested in the Navy Parcel as a place to align a light rail tourist tram or express trolley line from 7th and the old Coronado Belt Line. We were exploring locating a station at Carnation and Camp Surf for a lightweight....and quiet trolley/tram/ MDU etc. We were interested in what happened on the Carnation Avenue Street end and the triangle park at Silver Strand and Carnation where the posh digs of Camp Surf and their entrance sit. That property belongs to the citizens of Imperial Beach and could have been a park and a trolley platform that would serve the community. It still could be too. There's room for a light rail and a bike trail and has been all along.
Ed Kravitz December 12, 2013 at 08:01 PM
I have the phone number of the guy who put the big tv's in the Padres' Stadium. How about a waterproof plexiglass box with a flat screen tv and a lap top. The whiz's at city hall can load a flash drive in the computer and let it run 24-7 informing or mis-informing the public. Maybe it could read...TRAFFIC JAM AHEAD?
Pop Quiz December 12, 2013 at 10:09 PM
$23,000 = Upcoming Council meeting agenda item 2.6 This will provide fancy sidewalks, public art, Mature trees, benches and nice street lights on 10th. Where the transmission shop, car wash and bicycle-ville are. sounds very,very nice. How does that compare to the street your kids play on? Is your alley paved? How is your street lighting? Do your kids play ball in a park? .....APPROPRIATING $23,000 FOR THE PREPARATION OF 30% DRAWINGS FOR STREET IMPROVEMENTS ON THE 700 BLOCK, 10TH STREET.... The 23K is for %30 of the drawings, not the work. Oh yea, it also includes those sidewalk hemorrhoids that stick out in the street and cause traffic problems. My guess is a unanimous yes from the council.
Pop Quiz December 12, 2013 at 10:10 PM
$23,000 = Upcoming Council meeting agenda item 2.6 This will provide fancy sidewalks, public art, Mature trees, benches and nice street lights on 10th. Where the transmission shop, car wash and bicycle-ville are. sounds very,very nice. How does that compare to the street your kids play on? Is your alley paved? How is your street lighting? Do your kids play ball in a park? .....APPROPRIATING $23,000 FOR THE PREPARATION OF 30% DRAWINGS FOR STREET IMPROVEMENTS ON THE 700 BLOCK, 10TH STREET.... The 23K is for %30 of the drawings, not the work. Oh yea, it also includes those sidewalk hemorrhoids that stick out in the street and cause traffic problems. My guess is a unanimous yes from the council.

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