Secession Movement Comes to NH

Granite Staters start petition drive to request President Obama for peaceful right to leave the union.

Across the country, in more than 20 states, signatures are being gathered requesting President Barack Obama to allow states to consider seceding from the union, according to press reports over the weekend.

The states, ranging from blue states like New York and New Jersey, to some of the reddest of the red, in North Dakota and Texas, must collect 25,000 signatures within 30 days to receive an official response from the White House. Texas already has more than 25,000, according to reports. 

On Nov. 11, the movement officially came to New Hampshire.

Free State Project supporter Menno Troyer posted a call to “mobilize New Hampshire” on Facebook last night requesting others sign an online petition to join the other states. The post quickly spread around the site with a number of liberty Republicans and other activists signing onto the movement.

After 150 people have pledged to sign the petition, the drive will be posted on the whitehouse.gov website.

Troyer said he was inspired to start the drive because he does not "like the way the US is going, with regard to personal freedom.” He said there was “a long list of grievances” but admitted that he didn’t want to antagonize the Obama Administration.

Troyer said unlike the national movement, he wasn’t starting New Hampshire’s petition because he was “upset Romney didn’t win.” Between the two, he said, “I slightly prefer Obama.” Troyer said it was more about timing.

“I did this because the moment is right,” he said, “with all those other petitions being filed, and NH did not yet have a petition to secede that was publicly visible at whitehouse.gov.”

Troyer hopes that the Obama Administration will take the request seriously and, at the same time, will grant the states “a peaceful withdrawal,” adding that he feared the military or some other form of force would be used in response to the request, potentially causing another civil war.

Ideally, Troyer would like to see New Hampshire be its own country although he said that a Northern New England combination nation “would be pretty cool, too.”

“One thing I envision,” he said, “if New Hampshire were its own country, given the pro-liberty political climate here, is that it would quickly become the Hong Kong of the North.”

However, he admitted it would be “a tall order” to get 25,000 signatures in 30 days in New Hampshire, because it’s such a small state. A few hours after posting the petition drive, 44 others signed up to assist with seven saying “maybe” to the proposal.

And if the federal government decides not to allow states to secede and things become worse? Troyer has a plan – move to a country where the government is smaller and tends to leave people alone, with far less police control.

“I am eyeing several different options in Latin American countries,” he said. 

rick barasso November 14, 2012 at 03:20 AM
I hope the signatures were accompanied by a state issued photo ID. You know how those teabaggers love photo IDs. Probably should have a copy of everyones birth certificates and college transcripts, may want to have Donald Trump review each signature as well, just to be sure there is no fraud....
Stephen D. Clark November 21, 2012 at 01:48 AM
Petitions to the White House are no way to go about seceding. President Obama doesn't have the authority to grant a state permission to leave the union. Only a bonehead would allow himself to look like an ignoramus by signing such a useless document. There are only two ways to secede: The legitimate way to secede is for a state legislature to officially declare its intention to secede, override a governor's veto if it must, and then the state's elected U.S. representatives in Congress must bring a bill to the floor asking permission from all the other states, although, because there is no provision for it in the Constitution, it isn't clear whether it would take a simple majority vote or a supermajority. I tend to think that, like an amendment, it should take a supermajority. Better yet, there should be an amendment proposed to allow secession within certain parameters later to be determined. I'd vote against it. "Once American territory, always American territory" is my motto for the states. The other way is for a state, through its legislature and governor's signature or veto override, to simply declare its intention to secede, and then use the force of arms to kick out all the officers of the federal government in the state. We know how that will turn out. A rebellion is a revolution that fails. A revolution is a rebellion that succeeds.
Stephen D. Clark November 21, 2012 at 01:52 AM
Don't forget, Mr. Watrous, that petitions to the White House are completely useless since the president has no constitutional authority to grant such a motion. And you're pretty much right about the other point. Petitions not originating from the elected representatives in a state do not represent the official will of the state and, so, are subject to official neglect outside of empty expressions of understanding sympathy.
Soujourner Truth November 25, 2012 at 01:43 PM
It'd be easier to take this seriously if more than 1 of every 12 or so signers were actually from NH. None of you cub journalists find it newsworthy to mention that the Live Free or Die state can't muster its own independence without help from people in, say, Troy NY?
Stephen D. Clark November 25, 2012 at 03:20 PM
As a New Hampshire resident, I didn't instruct my state representative to bring a bill for secession to the floor of the statehouse. No petition originating anywhere else is legitimate. Any petition for secession not originating from state government in Concord has less weight than a photon. Moreover, the president has no authority to respond to such petitions with anything more significant than a shrug of the shoulder. He might respond differently, but it won't be more significant. Nor does he have the power to grant a claim for secession that originates from a state's official political process either. Congress potentially could, but it would take a constitutional amendment to do it. Anyone who signs the petition is someone formally renouncing his allegiance to the United States. Revocation of citizenship would be a good response, and it couldn't really be considered punitive because it would constitute a wish half granted.


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