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Commanding Officer Lindsey, Residents Argue Case For and Against Helicopter Activity Expansion

A debate on noise, safety and public awareness continued at Wednesday’s City Council meeting over the Navy’s proposed 30 percent increase of helicopter traffic in Imperial Beach by 2016.

Before the Navy’s final assessment of a proposed 30 percent increase in helicopter activity in Imperial Beach, Naval Base Coronado Commanding Officer Capt. Yancy Lindsey made a presentation outlining current and possible future operations at the City Council’s June 1 meeting.

Several members of the public also came to voice their opinion.

Speaking about alleged violations of helicopter flight paths, Lindsey said the Navy closely monitors daily flight traffic. According to their own assessments, no evidence was found of increased violations of flight paths or course rules.

“Some statements have been made that it happens 50 to 75 percent of the time,” he said. “I can tell you that is not what we see. That is not the data that we are collecting.”

Lindsey said the Naval Base Coronado website provides more information for the public and pointed to the Noise Complaint Hotline.

He encouraged residents to utilize these resources, and said the hotline has only received 15 calls from Imperial Beach this year.

In terms of future increases, staff of the California Coastal Commission will decide next week whether to approve the Navy’s proposal or bring the matter before the commission. Ultimately, the commission can request more evaluative testing be done before increasing helicopter activity.

A decision was originally expected May 28, but that deadline was extended to June 3.

On May 18, echoing the sentiment of the Imperial Beach City Council, city staff and Mayor Jim Janney, Congressman Bob Filner sent a letter to the secretary of the Navy Ray Mabus to request that an environmental impact statement be carried out for the proposed increase in helicopter activity.

An environmental impact statement would require a deeper assessment of the effects of proposed actions on the environment and quality of life of local residents.

Around the same time, Congresswoman Susan Davis added language to a draft of the 2012 National Defense Authorization Act instructing the Navy to continue working with local communities and to “develop a noise reduction strategy.”

A copy of letters sent by the Congressman and Janney can be found in the pdf section of this story next to the photos.

Michael Bixler, the former mayor of Imperial Beach and port commissioner, said he is disappointed in the public process he has observed since the release of the draft report in February.

He believes time for public disclosure, discussion, analysis and fact-finding should be extended.

John Munns of Imperial Beach said he opposes an increase in helicopter activity. Lately, he said, he has noticed an increase in activity, and he thinks a 30 percent increase could impact people's health and quality of life.

“I work at home much more now,” Munns said. “And I can’t even open my windows during the day and have a conversation on the phone. I can’t do any day or night voice recording due to the noise.”

Living in his home for 31 years near the training facility, Jeff Knox said he believes an environment impact statement is necessary.

“We are also making a 30 percent increase in the amount of jet fuel going over the Tijuana National Estuarine Research Reserve and over our homes,” he said.

“Already we have to wash off our plants and things at least once a week, otherwise we just get covered in soot.”

But Navy pilots need a place to train, Lindsey said.

“I think the events in Pakistan about a month ago show the importance of helicopter pilots,” he said, referring to the Navy SEAL operation to kill Osama bin Laden. “The importance of these fields where these pilots can train is invaluable. Without that, we cannot do what our nation asks us to do.”

Lindsey called the opinions of engaged residents and city leadership valuable to the process and that they proved helpful in assessing the draft environmental assessment compiled by the Navy.

“There are many of those comments that we have taken aboard and we are including in the environmental assessment,” Lindsey said. “It is vital for involvement in the community and your community has been involved.”

Lindsey said his main purpose in attending Wednesday’s council meeting was to talk about course rules for aircraft at Naval Outlying Landing Field Imperial Beach, formerly known as Ream Field.

Lindsey said course rules are locally established paths for aircraft operations at Naval Air Station North Island and Ream Field to allow safe and expeditious handling of aircraft, reduce noise impact and to ensure Navy activity does not conflict with traffic at adjacent airfields.

All routes are coordinated with the FAA, he said.

Normal airfield hours are Monday to Friday, 8 a.m. to 11 p.m., and Friday 8 a.m. to 6 p.m., with no activity on weekends and federal holidays.

“We do not foresee a need to expand operations beyond these operating hours to provide the increase of traffic noted in the environmental assessment,” Lindsey said.

Fixed-winged aircraft must fly at an altitude of at least 500 to 1,000 feet. Lindsey said limits are lower for helicopters landing and taking off since that is the purpose of training at Ream Field.

“But we self-impose and try to stay above Imperial Beach to the greatest extent possible,” he said. “Above 1,000 feet or 800 feet over the beaches.”

He said operations do not normally operate on Runway 9, but the field’s other landing strip, Runway 27, is currently closed for construction, and that requires helicopters to fly closer to the homes and property of Imperial Beach residents.

“Unfortunately, we did not have the money to finish the construction,” Lindsey said. “We have the money now and hope to have construction of Runway 27 complete by the end of the month.”

As a result, Lindsey said, operations remain in the boundaries, but helicopters occasionally cross the fence line.

Dante Pamintuan, a resident of Seaside Point, said his focus is on the safety aspect of the course rules. He said there are no consequences for course rules violations since they are only guidelines, and that if helicopters occasionally fly over the fence and over homes, they lose sight of the control tower.

“If that happens just one time it is a potential safety hazard and an accident waiting to happen over homes,” Pamintuan said.

He said the solution is very easy, and he’s asked the Navy to continue to use the five helicopter pads at the south end. When using the other runway, he said, you can barely hear the helicopters, but when they come in off the northern runway, there are many safety issues that go beyond noise and air quality.

“I am a former Marine Corps officer,” Pamintuan said. “I was stationed aboard the USS Okinawa. I was a combat cargo officer. I know the helicopter patterns. I know the realistic type of training the pilots need. They don't need this runway. I know the captain said it’s valuable. It’s not valuable.”

Pamintuan said this is not only about Seaside Point residents and complaining neighbors. He said it’s about all of Imperial Beach and that he completely opposes the plan.

“The EA is flawed,” he said. “We are hoping the Navy will conduct an EIS or the Navy will be sued. If Imperial Beach wants more visitors to bring business and revenue, an increase in helicopter won't do it.”

Lindsey said the Navy is collecting, analyzing and answering questions concerning the letters and comments from the city and residents of Imperial Beach. Additional analysis and assessments are in process for the final version of the environmental assessment.

He said work is currently in progress in the Tijuana Estuary and at Oneonta Elementary School. The final EA goes up through the chain of command to the chief of Naval Operations for approval.

Two types of noise tests are included in the draft assessment.

CNEL or community noise equivalent level testing evaluates noise levels over a 24-hour period. SEL or sound exposure level testing evaluates decibel levels when a helicopter flies directly overhead.

SEL testing was done in seven locations in Coronado, Point Loma and along the Silver Strand, but Seaside Point and Oneonta neighborhoods were not included since they are not considered part of the flight path, Navy officials said.

T-Bone McGee June 04, 2011 at 04:51 PM
I think everyone should be calling this noise complaint line I've lived in the vicinity of the helicopter training field for 30+ years and this is the first I've heard of it. We must all take action to stop this...
c. evans June 04, 2011 at 05:15 PM
I have lived in Imperial Beach for the past 40 years and this would be a great place if the helicopters went away. They rattle my windows, even though I had noise reduction windows installed. I too have to close my windows when they are running so I can hear the T.V. or talk on the phone. I know the helocopters were here first, but I believe that human health and comfort should come before training. I am sure there are plenty of areas that are less inhabited to practice touch and go landings. Please do not increase the training.
Dante Pamintuan June 04, 2011 at 07:11 PM
Agreed. All complaints become part of the official record. Most residents are tired of calling in to report a complaint or violation. In the past, it was a recording and no one got back to you. Let's hope this process improves. But even when you call in, their answer or return call is always one of denial. You'll get a civilian lady who has no idea what our community is experiencing. It is a joke.
Fayette (Davis) Driskell June 04, 2011 at 07:19 PM
I guess we should close all the bases, as some have already been done in the SD area, that way all these folks could live in perfect quiet, & the training could take place as Afghanistan, Iraq, & any other country that decides to attack us comes . That way they could train while fighting, & trying to keep these poor injured folks safe...Get your head out of your fanny's folks..If our service personnel are not trained properly, what would happen? This training has been going on in IB for many many years, those of us who grew up with it, were Navy brats, traveled with it, and yes appreciated it, would take this noise any day, other than the alternative..
June Murray-Schultze June 04, 2011 at 11:34 PM
I live on the East end where the helicopters make their turn to approach Ream Field. I have lived in this specific location for 14 years, but had lived in Imperial Beach for 11 years prior to this. I am in San Diego city limits. These helicopters go right over my house regularly. I don't know who they are kidding by saying they dont go off their path. I didn't see the phone number to call and complain, could someone please post it here for me? And also, would it be a different number for San Diego? I also have had double paned windows installed because I cannot hear my TV or phone conversations. The noise is still a problem even with the upgrades to my house. We installed central air conditioning so we wouldn't overheat in the summer when we have to close the house up due to the noise level of the helicopters.
Jessica Quisenberry Dailey June 05, 2011 at 10:02 AM
I spent a large portion of my life in Imperial Beach, and always referred to the comforting drone of the choppers as "the sound of freedom." I am sure any home in Imperial Beach was b uilt after the military located their base there. We can thank the military for the protection of the estuary, and for the people that bought property there and contriute a large portion of it's stable population and resulting tax base.
Mike G June 06, 2011 at 12:06 AM
What if the flight path were modified to something more like take off from NORIS, go south along the coast ensuring a nice close proximity to the million dollar homes on Ocean Blvd, and a close pass by the Hotel del? Continue south within a stone throw of the Coronado Shores. Veer east just before the radio station and turn north following the contour of the southern portion of the bay making sure to thrill the residents of the Cays with the "sounds of freedom" IBcians get to enjoy. Continue north right over Glorietta Bay and the Coronado Yacht Club then a nice low pass over the Coronado Golf and Country Club making a final approach due west to finish the loop back at NORIS. Nice big circle just like the one through the Tijuana river valley. Very little time directly overhead of populated areas. How do you think our neighbors to the north would react to a 30 percent increase in flights if this were the case? I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be in a positive way. The helos bring next to nothing as far as economic boon to I.B. All of the support personnel are at NORIS. The civilian jobs at Ream Field are low paying ones at the commissary (where baggers work for tips) and the NEX. I know pilots need to train and some of that training requires real seat time in a real helo. I just think the by-product and burden of that training should be more equitably split between I.B. and Coronado. PEACE!
T-Bone McGee June 06, 2011 at 03:20 AM
Naval Air Station, North Island (NASNI) and Naval Outlying Landing Field (OLF), Imperial Beach are 24-hour airfields, operating seven days a week. NOISE COMPLAINT HOTLINE: (619) 545-8233 The Naval Base Coronado Operations Duty Officer will collect the data required to investigate the complaint and will, upon request, respond to each complaint as quickly as possible. The Navy recognizes the importance of being good neighbors with the local communities and makes every effort to balance noise abatement with the need to train Navy pilots. There are times however, when pilots must make varying approaches/departures that are not part of the “normal” pattern, yet are still within the Navy’s authorized airspace. NOTE: Flight operations at NASNI/OLF may be conducted around the clock, seven days a week. Flights originating / heading to Naval Base Coronado installations operate in a wide airspace radius and, like civilian aircraft, military planes are not limited to where they can fly.
T-Bone McGee June 06, 2011 at 03:23 AM
Good stuff again Mike! Your a great voice for the people...Thanks!
Dante Pamintuan June 06, 2011 at 01:54 PM
Thanks Mike. You "Get It!!!". IB has always taken the burdens from Coronado. This isn't about a few neighborhoods...this is about ALL of Imperial Beach. The Navy can consolidate their helicopter training at North Island. There are other airfields that the Navy can use. Just stay away from populated areas that have homes and schools. Safety is a key concern when they fly low over homes and there is additional air traffic to contend with.
June Murray-Schultze June 06, 2011 at 03:18 PM
T-Bone, Thank you for the phone number. Mike, you definitely "get it". I have worked for both the commissary and NEX many years ago at both NASNI and IB and I can confirm the low wages (which is why I no longer work there). My husband is a retired (AM) helo mech and we both still work at jobs that support the military. We just want to make sure our homes are safe and be able to hear a conversation during the week, whether on the phone or in person and hear our TV's. My point is that it has already gotten worse (closer and louder) in the past 14 years and I worry about what will happen if it increases by 30%. It seems like most people don't understand how much a 30% increase really is.
Mike G June 06, 2011 at 09:14 PM
Please allow me to clarify my stance on this issue. I am NOT anti-Navy nor anti-government. I have lived under this flight path 80% of my life since 1972. My Grandfather, Father, and I are all 20+ year naval veterans. Between the three of us we have over 3/4 of a century in service to this country. My grandmother built ships during WWII (a real Rosie the riveter) and my mom spent more than 30 years in civil service at NAB and FISC. My point is that for every flight out of NORIS there are at least 20+ T&G's at OLF. Literally 100's per day. To say that increasing this volume by 30 percent equally effects Coronado (where apparently all of the noise studies have been conducted) and Imperial Beach is just too stupid to comprehend. I manage a small apartment complex one block over from the gate at OLF. I will not even try to show a vacancy during the week for fear that a prospective tenant will be put off by the noise from the helos and look elsewhere. This is an economic as well as a quality of life issue for I.B. residents and doesn't have nearly the negative impact in Coronado. I guess it's unfortunate, though not necessarily unfair, that we weren't all born on the same socio-economic footing, but being a Coronado silver-spooner shouldn't isolate them when it comes to bearing their fair share of the burden of the "sounds of freedom". PEACE!
ibtrotter June 07, 2011 at 02:21 AM
"Sounds of freedom," give me a break. I bought in the N part of town so I wouldn't be subjected to helicopter noise, but traffic has increased over the years, and will futher increase with this expansion. Even though they are suppossed to, piolots no longer make an effort to avoid low altitude flights over homes and Bayside Elem. And we have to contend with mortar and machine gun fire coming from Silver Strand South, which shakes our houses and has caused dogs to run through our sliders and windows. The Navy is not a good neighbor. They could take steps to mitigate the noise, with little impact to their training, but haven't. Why can't they use one of the ALTERNATIVE sites that they proposed, such as El Centro? I think it's time to consider a class action suit. Btw, the noise complaint hotline is a joke. I've called, many times over the years, and as of late, I've been told that IB isn't under their jurisdiction. I've requested a callback to discuss this, and have never gotten one. Doesn't hurt to call, though, so I'm glad the # has been disseminated. Perhaps if we start flooding them with complaints, they might make some effort to conform to their flight paths.
Mike G June 07, 2011 at 02:30 AM
Well if you think you're fed up now, just check this out... http://imperialbeach.patch.com/articles/california-coastal-commission-staff-approve-navy-helicopter-activity-increase?ncid=following_comment PEACE!

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