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Group Forms to Oppose IB Medical Marijuana Ballot Proposition

Citizens Against Prop S and No on S efforts are supported by current and former city councilmembers.

With less than two months before Election Day, a committee to combat a medical marijuana measure on the Imperial Beach ballot was formed Tuesday, according to City Clerk Jacqueline Hald.

The group called Citizens Against Prop S was created by former Imperial Beach Mayor Diane Rose and Dee McLean, a South Bay Union School District trustee for 12 years and wife of former councilman Fred McLean.

Rose called the Safe Access Ordinance of Imperial Beach “an assault to our quality of life” and “the biggest threat to our economic development and quality of life since the Brown Field air cargo proposal.”

Many people will begin to vote within a month, as mail ballots begin to go out. Some mail ballots have already been sent.

Rose acknowledges there is little time left, but said, “I truly believe if we can get the word out to the community on what this would really mean that the people of IB will do the right thing.”

The former two-term mayor believes dispensaries would derail economic development in IB at a critical time before a new hotel, Pier South, opens on Seacoast Drive.

If passed, Proposition S would repeal current ordinances that prohibit medical marijuana dispensaries and would allow dispensaries in commercial or industrial zones as long as they are 300 feet from each other and 600 feet from a school.

Analysis by city staff found that potentially 20 or more dispensaries could open in IB on Palm Avenue, Seacoast Drive and possibly on 13th Street.

Last week, Rose spoke to a gathering of about a dozen members of the Seacoasters, a business and residential group She intends to reach out to PTAs and other groups to find more people who oppose Prop. S.

“Nobody is challenging the value of medical marijuana when it’s properly used,” said Robert Miller, who founded the group earlier this year.

“The issue is that our little town was targeted because it’s easier to get it on the ballot here. I mean there’s no debate among the Seacoasters. It’s a flat out no.”

Meanwhile, the Imperial Beach Chamber of Commerce said it takes no stances on political issues.

Supporters of medical marijuana dispensaries have argued patients should be able to get marijuana in IB. 

But Rose said Americans for Safe Access, Campaign for a Cause and people who have given financial support to Prop. S are outsiders who do not have IB's interests at heart.

“These are outside special interests trying to exploit our community,” Rose said. “They’re pumping thousands and thousands of dollars into this, and why do you think that is? Cause it’s very profitable to them.

“I have to believe that the citizens of IB won’t be hoodwinked into [buying] what they’re selling.”

According to campaign finance documents, more than $45,000 was invested in Yes on S efforts from Jan. 1-June 30 to pay consultants and some signature gatherers, before the initiative was approved to appear on the ballot in July.

ASA Vice Chair Marcus Boyd, who helped craft the Safe Access ordinance, and signers of the original petition are from Imperial Beach, but the majority of donations to the campaign have come from outside Imperial Beach.

Rose was joined by Mayor Jim Janney, former council members Mayda Winter and Patricia McCoy and sheriff’s Lt. Marco Garmo in signing No on S arguments and rebuttals that will be in voter information packets.

Aside from Mayor Janney, none of the No on S signatories attended City Council meetings this summer when dispensaries were discussed.

Public comments in favor of Prop. S greatly outnumbered no on Prop. S speakers at council meetings.

Rose said she watched the meeting on television at home, and was surprised that the council allowed Prop. S to appear on the November ballot. She didn’t begin to get organized until the council voted down its own competing ballot initiative in August.

“And I don’t think I knew then what the initiative said, what it would really mean,” she said. 

”I think it’s just human nature that there’s not going to be a huge outpouring before something happens.

“Now that it’s on the ballot, I think we’re going to see a lot of people coming out against it.”

_San Diego Democrats_ endorsed Prop. S, while Republicans decided last week to oppose the ballot measure.

John Galt September 21, 2012 at 07:25 PM
@ Marcus Boyd 10:47 am on Friday, September 21, 2012 “Stop bullying innocent people with hate speech.” THERE IS NO HATE SPEECH “campaign of hate-filled bigotry” YOU ARE THE ONE CALLING OTHERS NAMES AND MAKING PERSONAL ATTACKS. “Stop the hate - provide a logical debate - for their sake.” I AM, I JUST NOT AGREE WITH YOUR PERVERSE IDEAS. You and your group scream words like racist, hate and bigotry at anyone who disagrees with you. This is distasteful and shameful and in its own right hates speech. What entitles you, a looser in your own right, to attack with such hateful words? This is the tool of someone who is not capable of seeing all sides of a discussion, someone who bring prejudice to every aspect of life. Marcus you are a very prejudice person. That is sad because your stifle any real debate and discussion of the facts. If you REALLY CARED about people you would call “S” for what it is, a scam that will screw over the citizens of Imperial Beach. There is no medical requirement supported by the majority of first world doctors that support the medical use of pot. Yes some people may feel better with it, but the current medicines also work. Let’s have people try those too. Also when we all saw the under 30 people going into the pot store at 16th and Palm, what was their problem? Stress? That is BS; they need to get and hold a job.
Eugene Z. Davidovich September 21, 2012 at 07:27 PM
Barbara, which delivery services do you speak of? Please show me ONE delivery service or ONE dispensary anywhere near IB, or anywhere in San Diego County for that matter that is actually licensed or regulated where patients can safely obtain their medicine. If you are so certain that there are licensed, legal, regulated delivery services or dispensaries in or near IB already, then please tell us where to find them. I am sure the patients in Imperial Beach who use cannabis as a medicine would love to know. I also just called 15 different listings I found on google as you suggested. Most were wrong numbers and the few that did answer ALL said they did not have a business license from any city or county. It seems that you would rather have sick and dying patients get their medicine from unregulated and unlicensed 'delivery services' or the illicit market instead of regulated, controlled and licensed, medical cannabis dispensing collectives in Imperial Beach that respect their neighbors and adhere to city regulation. Patients in Imperial Beach deserve better!
John Galt September 21, 2012 at 07:38 PM
@ FlyingTooLow "NEWS FLASH: YOU COMMITTED A REAL CRIME" I am correct. Where did you get you law degree? Prison? Your defense sucked. You went to prison, as such you committed a crime. Since it was for several years, a real crime. I bet your parents are proud of you!
Marcus Boyd September 21, 2012 at 08:02 PM
Keep on typing, as everyone reads your words they can see you for who you are - and what *you* believe to be true. Thank you for replying! We need more Yes on S votes, and your opinion really does help us out a lot.
FlyingTooLow September 21, 2012 at 08:27 PM
@IB needs us....I will try to respond to your comment in the order that you 'made your case'... No, I do not have a law degree... Yes, my defense sucked...had I known of the concept of 'jury nullification,' I truly believe I could have vindicated myself... Yes, I went to prison...I was convicted of a man made crime that should never have been on the books in the United States...the law flies in the face of everything our country was founded upon...look it up, Sir... Re your comment, "Since it was for several years, a real crime." You may want to read my initial post...I watched armed bank robbers come and go in as little as 17 months...while I stayed 5 years for marijuana... does the length of their stay indicate severity of offense? Perhaps you may be able grasp this thought: a crime involving marijuana versus armed bank robbery: Visualize this,,, a Hippie offering to share a joint with you, if you are inclined...Now, visualize a man with a gun in your face demanding your wallet...which would you deem the more offensive? Please, have your prescription meds checked...I think you may be having an adverse reaction...
Ed Sorrels September 21, 2012 at 08:56 PM
Thank you Eugene, As I follow the comments about those things that concern MY CITY I tend to place those that are from unnamed folks well below those that preface their comments with their name and maybe a picture, For me it ;lends a certain sense of believeability and rationality to their arguement, If you believe something then stand up and say it, don't hide behind some ( Funny) screen name. Just my way own personal opinion !
Marcus Boyd September 21, 2012 at 09:07 PM
@FlyingTooLow *like*
Ed Sorrels September 21, 2012 at 09:15 PM
Eugene and Marcus, Have you guys seen this ? Marijuana And Cancer: Scientists Find Cannabis Compound Stops Metastasis In Aggressive Cancers, This is real and these are real doctors, and now that so elusive proof is about to emerge, I don't know how to put the link on here but Email me at Califcrankshaft@aol.com and I will send it to anyone !
Marcus Boyd September 21, 2012 at 09:21 PM
Everyone should understand jury nullification and encounters with law enforcement! All about Juries - http://fija.org/document-library/videos/all-about-juries/ from www.fija.org 10 Rules for Dealing with Police - http://youtu.be/gmrbNLt7Om8
Eugene Z. Davidovich September 21, 2012 at 09:30 PM
Thanks for pointing this out Ed! You are absolutely right! Cannabis in many cases can actually cure cancer. CBD (Canabidiol) a compound contained in cannabis flowers has been linked to not only slowing down but actually stopping metastasis in aggressive cancers. Most strains now being bred for medical use are high in CBD concentration specifically because of the amazing benefits of CBD. Here is a really good summary about the history of medical marijuana as a medicine prepared by Lester Grinspoon, M.D. Associate Professor Emeritus of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School.
Patients are People Too September 21, 2012 at 09:40 PM
For everyone who is speaking on behalf of Citizens Against Prop S, I really encourage you to do some real research (seriously, from a legitimate source, not based on the propaganda that has for decades robbed seriously ill patients of an insanely beneficial medicine and instead pushed them to relying on dangerous pharmaceuticals that may make drug companies a lot of money, but cause further health problems, addiction, and sometimes death for people who use them) and verify your claims with scientific facts, logic, and compassion for your neighbors. Residents of I.B., all of whom are either seriously ill patients themselves or who have sick family members who are unable to legally obtain the medicine that was recommended to them by their doctor, in their own city, came to Americans for Safe Access 2 years ago for help because of the unconstitutional ban that Imperial Beach has placed on medical marijuana, despite the will of the people and California state law. Unless patients have the skills and resources required to grow their own cannabis. they are forced to either find it illegally, turn to harmful pills, or go without medicine. Fortunately for patients and their families, October 16th will begin the federal hearing that will serve to reschedule cannabis into an appropriate class that acknowledges its safety and medicinal benefits so that we may stop using lies, fear, and misconceptions to criminalize patients and deny them their rights.
Patients are People Too September 21, 2012 at 09:50 PM
IB needs us: You've said a lot on this topic, but none of it seems to stem from any facts or research or even experiences that have not been deluded by your own perceptions, which is something everyone should be aware of before trying to speak for an entire community, where 56% of residents voted in support of the Compassionate Use Act. If you are not a patient yourself, it is understandable that you may not be fully versed on the wide range of benefits that cannabis provides to its patients. I truly hope that you are never forced to learn of them because you become sick or injured yourself, but that you have compassion for the 70,000+ residents of San Diego who rely on this natural medication for their health and well being. Its degrading to tell a patient that using their medicine is an excuse to get high. While some people do choose to use cannabis for non-medical reasons, these are the people who can illegally obtain marijuana any time of day on the streets of IB. There are absolutely many sick patients in Imperial Beach who use cannabis only by recommendation by their doctor because it lessens their pain and improves their quality of life. If you think that that is a scam, again I urge you to look at the research. You can check out the numerous medical cannabis studies done by UCSD, UCLA, and the New York School of Medicine just to name a few.
Patients are People Too September 21, 2012 at 10:14 PM
Also, fun fact, The American Society for Cancer research has found marijuana to not just help with pain, but to slow down tumor growth in the lungs, brain, and breasts considerably. The regulation of marijuana is proven to be far more effective in reducing crime and benefiting the local economy than the non-regulation that exists now, where any person of any age at any time can obtain marijuana (as well as any illegal substance) our streets currently.... Are we so blinded by anti-marijuana propaganda that we can't see that regulation of this plant, is the only way to ensure the health and well being of sick patients AND to reduce the ills that are already plaguing Imperial Beach? Prop S overturns an unconstitutional ban that is supported by politicians but never voted on by community members, and replaces it with regulations that will provide safe, local, reliable access for sick and injured patients, while taking business away from drug cartels who will have to find another unregulated area to sell to minors. If people are opposed to that, then I am genuinely concerned about where our priorities lie as a society.
Jack Fisher September 22, 2012 at 01:36 AM
Eugene, my comment was to hear from you and Marcus as to weather or not you live in IB. I learned long ago to go to the correct source when I have a question to be answered. It was mentioned here that you and Marcus were not residents of Imperial Beach and I just wanted to hear from you guys. I have no desire nor have I made any personal attacks towards you or anyone else here. I have not bullied or tried to use fear as a method of getting things done. All I did was ask a simple question, so thanks for answering back.
Jack Fisher September 22, 2012 at 01:42 AM
Alex, out of curiosity why didi the South Bay Compassionate center close? I would think any business that has a waiting list would flourish. Alex we have know each other a long time so understand that my question is sincere and not a way to stir things up. I am just wondering what happened.
Eugene Z. Davidovich September 22, 2012 at 02:24 AM
Jack, there are plenty of insults and personal attacks throughout the previous comments here from folks who are against the therapeutic use of cannabis and in support of the current prohibition in IB. I have not seen any from you. Most of my reply to your post was directed at those who have made these comments, and I sincerely apologize for implying that you made any such comments. You are absolutely right about asking directly and I encourage you to continue to do so.
Eugene Z. Davidovich September 22, 2012 at 02:37 AM
South Bay Compassionate center along with over two hundred others throughout the City of San Diego had to close their doors as a result of law suits filed against them by the City Attorney of San Diego. The lawsuits claimed they were out of compliance because they did not have a business license from the City. None of them had a business license from the city because the City refused to issue business licenses citing there was no Ordinance regulating that type of commercial use of property. To create an ordinance and a process to license such facilities, City Council set up a task force. The task force met, provided recommendations and Council was working towards an Ordinance. Unfortunately the process has stalled as a result of the elections, a referendum, as well as a variety of other reasons. The City Council is expected to take up the issue again after the November election and continue to work towards an ordinance. Proposition S was authored with help and input from not only IB residents, patients, and community members, but members of the very task force the City of San Diego reached out to for advice. Proposition S is a well balanced approach to regulating medical cannabis dispensing collectives in the City and establishes clear rules and regulations so the community can readily identify and deal with bad players while at the same time helping provide safe access to those who truly need it.
Eugene Z. Davidovich September 22, 2012 at 02:50 AM
Now to address the comments from Carmudgeon. I don't think you know anything about my background or financial situation. You are making comments that have absolutely no basis to them. What makes you think that I am wealthy or have been running dispensaries? Also, what makes you say that I don't live in IB? In addition, never having talked to me, what makes you say anything about profit. By the way, Proposition S actually mandates that ANY dispensary in IB has to operate as a NON PROFIT. I am completely dumfounded and confused by your comments. If you have a question you want to ask me, feel free, but you know what they say about those who make assumptions right?
Chico&The Man September 22, 2012 at 04:27 AM
this is my primary method juicing http://youtu.be/7xPmR8j4plw
Summer Hemphill September 22, 2012 at 05:26 AM
For God's sake Vote Yes on S,it's the Christian thing to do !!!
barbara September 22, 2012 at 01:19 PM
So those dispensaries don't have a business license because "...the City [of San Diego] refused to issue business licenses citing there was no Ordinance regulating that type of commercial use of property. Unfortunately the process has stalled … The [San Diego] City Council is expected to take up the issue again after the November election and continue to work towards an ordinance." Then the delivery services and dispensaries are not so much "illegal" (prohibited by law) as "nonlegal" (not regulated or sanctioned by law), if I understand correctly. So all those in the San Diego Municipality who want to be "legal" would need to have their business addresses in Imperial Beach--at least until the city of San Diego gets their stuff figured out?
Eugene Z. Davidovich September 22, 2012 at 10:23 PM
Hi Barbara! I’m so glad now the discussion is shifting from reefer madness and unsubstantiated myths to actual debate of the issue! Great progress, Thank You! Now, to address your assertion that "all those in the San Diego Municipality who want to be "legal" would need to have their business addresses in Imperial Beach" First off according to Prop S and ALL current IB municipal codes a business license would be issued ONLY to those who use a commercial property in Imperial Beach not anywhere else in San Diego. Prop S requires that any medical cannabis dispensing collective or cooperative be in Industrial or Commercial areas away from schools and away from each other. When you take into consideration the amount of commercial properties that are NOT OCCUPIED currently in IB, then take into consideration how many of those vacant would actually be willing to rent, then take into consideration the separation requirement, what you end up with is one maybe two medical cannabis dispensing collectives in Imperial Beach. The one or two that would open would BE REQUIRED to operate as NON PROFITS and be in compliance with all State and local laws as well as the 19 strict operational standards i.e. security systems, etc. Prop S would actually solve the problem you raised. Our community and the patients who live in it deserve safe, regulated access to Medical Marijuana through regulated medical cannabis dispensing collectives that respect their neighbors and adhere to city regulation
Jack Fisher September 23, 2012 at 02:28 AM
Eugene was kind enough to reply but I haven't heard from Marcus. Does anuyone know the name of his business and where it is located?
Jack Fisher September 23, 2012 at 02:28 AM
Eugene was kind enough to reply but I haven't heard from Marcus. Does anuyone know the name of his business and where it is located?
Bong Sativa September 23, 2012 at 05:27 PM
Marijuana ! It's not just for breakfast anymore ! Vote Yes on S !!!
Marcus Boyd September 23, 2012 at 11:05 PM
Hello Jack, I took a little time off from this vitriol comment thread. For information about me, I'd ask that you know more than you've requested to know. Let me know what else you would like to know - after viewing the videos below - if it's regarding this issue. I'm the second speaker here, but the first is worth a listen too... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYLteS_A-nY&feature=share&list=ULRYLteS_A-nY I'm here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgrCEw_3H8o&feature=plcp and here I am with the most info about me and why I brought this issue to the council... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kkpFtCMjMA&feature=player_detailpage#t=103s and ends here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=s3l40Oq2S3A
Jack Fisher September 24, 2012 at 03:33 AM
Marcus I watched the videos and have been at the meetings when you have spoke. I know your stance and your motivation, but I would appreciate you answering the questions that I have asked. Also, do you consider your non profit organization your "business" or do you have another one that you operate?
Marcus Boyd September 24, 2012 at 04:46 AM
I moved to IB, and opened the insurance agency at 1233 Palm Ave, in Jan 2003. The nonprofit never actually started because the council did not move forward with their promise to allow for safe access in IB.
Jack Fisher September 24, 2012 at 05:31 AM
Thanks for your swift reply Marcus.
Marcus Boyd September 27, 2012 at 09:06 PM
Yesterday, Council Candidates expressed their medical marijuana opinions respectfully, why can't this group debate the issue respectfully too? VIDEO: http://imperialbeach.patch.com/blog_posts/video-council-candidates-express-medical-marijuana-opinions-respectfully

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