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Prop S Town Hall Meeting Oct. 30

You have to ask yourself–when–or why–do the city's politicians avoid public town hall meetings about important topics that concern the city?

Join citizens, residents, and voters at the Proposition S Town Hall Meeting this Tuesday, October 30th at 6pm. Ask questions, clarify concerns, and hear directly from those who helped author the proposition - and those who require safe access in Imperial Beach.

The opposition to Proposition S, a group of politicians known as the 'Citizens Against Prop S', were given the opportunity to name the day, the time and the location of the event, however, Dee Mclean, the group's spokesperson, responded by saying; "We are all volunteers, and do not have time to participate in a town hall meeting."

About two weeks ago, the Citizens Against Prop S mailed a letter to all voter households in the city.  Out of the 14 names endorsing No on S - all 14 are politicians - one of which is a well known 'buddy' developer.

As a voter, you have to ask yourself - when or why - would politicians avoid public town hall meetings about such important topics that concern their city?

 

TOWN HALL MEETING FORMAT

Rachel Scoma, Esq will moderate Tuesday's Town Hall. 

There will be three empty panelist chairs for; Dee Mclean, Diane Rose, and Mayor Jim Janney.  (If you happen to see any of them before Tuesday's Town Hall, please remind them that they are invited, and welcome to attend - no RSVP necessary - and their seats are reserved.)

There will be three panelists for YES on S; Marcus Boyd, Eugene Davidovich andVey Linville.

Panelists may bring notes and prepared statements to use during the meeting.

This will be a 90-minute panel discussion. Once the panel discussion begins, it will continue even if only one panelist remains on the stage. 

Each panelist will open with a 60 second answer to the question "Why do you support - or oppose - Proposition S?"

After the initial responses, the moderator will invite people up to the microphone to ask questions of the panel.

  • Each panelist will be given about one minute to respond.
  • Response time may be limited by the moderator ensuring each panelists have equal time to weigh in.
  • Every attempt will be made to keep time equal among panelists - without guarantees. The moderator has the authority to manage response and discussion time.
  • Each panelist will be allowed one-and-a-half minutes for closing remarks.
  • Moderator will also keep time.
  • Audience members must remain quiet - and respectful - during the debate.

The Town Hall meeting will start at 6pm and will last until 7:30pm.

WHAT: Prop S Town Hall Meeting
WHEN: Tuesday, 10/30/2012
WHERE: The Legacy Center - 1237 Palm Ave
(SW corner - Palm & Florence)

 

All local politicians are invited, and should obviously attend!

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ibsandyshores November 1, 2012 at 01:42 am
DEFINITION OF CARPETBAGGER:
2. outsider; especially : a nonresident or new resident who seeks private gain from an area often by meddling in its business or politics VOTE NO on PROP S
Libi Uremovic November 1, 2012 at 02:36 am
so who are the carpetbaggers ?
who are the people that are not from this city and state? mayor janney - from the east coast city manager - i've called him mr lizard so long i can't remember his name - from arizona and where before that ..? ass manager - the cockroach - not from ib city attorneys - not from ib ibsandyshores is right...we've got to get rid of the carpetbaggers that have taken over the town...vote yes on s...
John Galt November 1, 2012 at 07:37 am
Libi - you are smarter than that. How about out of town money and people poking their noses in and telling residents, people who live in and can vote in IB how to vote.
For the record NO ON POOP S
Jack Fisher November 1, 2012 at 10:55 am
I attended the town hall meeting and will say that it was run as fair as any debate that I have been to. I am going to vote no on S and was dissappointed that Mrs.McCoy or Mrs. Rose was not there. It was a bit unbalanced because of this. I learned a couple things that I had not known and had most of my questions answered, thanks to Eugene for answering my main question. I see both sides as passionate about this issue, but the Yes on S panel was made up by one or two paid workers (Eugene for sure and Holly maybe), Vhe, a local who is a very sick user (that seems to be able to get his medicine outside of IB) and Marcus who would be most likely the first one to open a dispensary. There were some great questions asked by the local residents and answered by the panel. I was glad to meet many who have participated in these forums. One more week and we can see what the voters have said what is best for Imperial Beach.
Marcus Boyd November 1, 2012 at 11:20 am
Thank you for attending Jack. It was a pleasure to meet you and residents in opposition, to discuss Prop S in a civil town hall way.
To clarify, Vey is finding it increasingly more difficult to obtain the quantity of 'kief' that he uses to breathe because there are no 'licensed' dispensaries, and the unlicensed ones are being shuttered by San Diego's city attorney through the civil courts... for not having a business license. Despite the fact that both mayoral candidates have vowed to allow dispensaries in the city of San Diego. After the meeting, two cancer patients who attended the town hall mentioned that they were UNABLE to locate ANY cannabis in the past couple of weeks. An elderly MS patient who attended said that it's scary to call some unknown delivery service to her home - and that the prices were TWICE that of the now closed 16th and Palm location. Vote with compassion instead, and Vote YES on S on the 6th of November!
ibsandyshores November 1, 2012 at 12:12 pm
libi - (aka: Elizabeth Ann Uremovic) - Northern CA, West Indies, Oklahoma, Brawley, Cardiff-by-the-Sea, Solana Beach, San Diego, Las Vegas and where before that...?
VOTE NO on PROP S.
Marcus Boyd November 1, 2012 at 01:14 pm
@ibsandyshores... Now hold one second Ms. McCoy! With an accent like yours, you have NO business making the above statement!
Did you know that when you point your finger at someone, you're pointing three at yourself? Voting YES on S will stop the political reefer madness. P.S. To the politicians who have posted here but did not attend the town hall meeting... Thanks for attending this one... ONLINE!
Libi Uremovic November 1, 2012 at 02:01 pm
wow ...you did a background search on me....good for you...but that doesn't tell you much does it...?
it tells the rest of us a lot about our city government ...doing nothing to protect the needs of the community but doing everything they can to retain their hold on the people.... but it's obvious to me and everyone else that if that's the best you can do then you don't really know anyone in this state, do you? one call to our governor will tell you everything you need to know about me ...our families go back 60 years... and perhaps jerry will explain to you that there are no squatter's rights to pillage government funds and suppress the rights of the individual or small business.. but calling the state for 'help' isn't exactly an option for the city...especially when the state controller's office is already here....and the state dept is only waiting for the grand jury to process so they can step in... we the people are cleaning up our cities and state.....we pay plenty of taxes to provide good services and secure jobs for our line workers....the problem is government corruption... ...the problem is you....
Bong Sativa November 1, 2012 at 02:18 pm
I have been to the mountain & I have seen the promised land,we shall overcome" - Martin Luther King. Show some compassion for your fellow man & Vote Yes on S !!! After all it is the Christian thing to do !!!
Jack Fisher November 1, 2012 at 02:21 pm
Marcus, one question that I wasn't mindful to ask was what is a ballpark figure for the amount of sales taxes that would be recieved by the City if Prop S passes? Libi's comments have made me think it would be significant. It has been mentioned before that there were as many as 3,000 IB residents that frequented Alex's place before it was closed and I would imagine that each patient would go at least once a month to get their supplies. What is the cost of a joint or whatever the preferred amount that is dispensed?
Libi Uremovic November 1, 2012 at 02:31 pm
'...Vhe, a local who is a very sick user (that seems to be able to get his medicine outside of IB)..."
i know it's hard to have compassion for your fellow man because you don't have vhe's illness, but i think we can stimulate his symptoms for you .....and then send you out in search of a medicine that isn't found in stores... but i don't know a lot about vhe's ilness, so what would be the best way for jack to 'feel vhe's pain'... wrap a bungie cord around jack's neck to restrict the airwaves....or bond his lungs to restrict breathing...? jack, you told me at the meeting you were voting against prop s because it's morally wrong.... but you're not referring to the morals of god, your referring to the morals of man... the self proclaimed conclusion that the works of man are superior to those of god.. the moral thing to do is walk the walk jack....put yourself in vhe's shoes - restrict your airwaves and then go to the streets to find a medicine because the government refuses to allow it to be sold in stores....
Jack Fisher November 1, 2012 at 03:23 pm
Libi, I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, aka LDS or Mormon. I do not believe in smoking, drinking, or partaking in illegal drugs. I think that prescription drugs can be harmfuI, especially if over used or an addiction is aquired. I also abstain from drinking coffee and tea. I have never once denied that Vhe deals with a great amount of pain or that keif is a miracle drug that has saved his life. I feel a great deal of compassion for my fellow man, and women, who deal with chronic pain. I have not had to deal with what he is going through but like many of you I have firsthand experience with those who suffer. I have made my choice based on my beliefs and my relationship with God and Our Savior.
Libi, I have tried to be honest and amiable in my dealings with those who have participated in these forums and at any public meeting that we have met in. You cry foul because I choose a different path? I would expect the same type of courtesy that you claim I should have. Marcus mentioned "that when you point a finger at others you are pointing three at yourself". Once the election is over, we as residents of Imperial Beach, have to solve our biggest issue which I know we mutually agree about.
PotShopScam November 1, 2012 at 04:05 pm
Vote NO to pot shops, NO on S. I’ve witnessed the harmful problem of having 18 year-olds, many still high school seniors, with their pot recommendation acting as the go to drug dealer on school campuses. It’s scary to think that a 18 year-olds can get their pot recommendation online skyping with a “doctor” for $30-$40; no actual medical appointment is necessary. This is not medicine, it’s fraud, it’s drug dealing. I also learned, unfortunately, the pot recommendation never expires and doesn’t limit the amount of pot that can be purchased at a pot shop. The kid can have his pot recommendation forever, with no need to revisit a doctor.
Pot shops assist these kids with pot recommendations to sell to friends, and at this young age, pot use does permanent damage. A few months ago a study called Persistent cannabis users show neuropsychological decline from childhood to midlife found “Long-term marijuana use, especially when started during adolescence, has been found to decrease IQ, while also impairing cognitive function.” Pot shops are too easily abused and kids have enough problems they are dealing with, smoking pot, getting addicted, and lessen their IQ is not a healthy or safe result.
John Galt November 1, 2012 at 04:14 pm
Jack - any increased tax revenue, if any, will be offset by the increase in police that will be needed to try and keep children from getting killed.
There is no upside to POOP S. Please vote NO. A NO VOTE ON S will allow the city to come up with a REASONABLE law, just like any other business should have. A NO VOTE ON S will stop lawsuits that IB cannot afford. A NO VOTE will continue the the SAFE IB living that we all enjoy. A NO VOTE will protect our neighborhoods against criminals who are coming to rob the pot stores. Easy - decision, the verdict is in. Vote NO ON POOP S Brought to you by PROTECT SAFE ACCESS FOR IMPERIAL BEACH
ILuvIB November 1, 2012 at 04:21 pm
Vote NO on Prop. S, it’s an effort by out-of-towners and prospective pot shops owners, it’s not being pushed by IB residents. The campaign disclosure statements show mostly all the money coming from outside IB. Some additional good reasons to vote no on S:
Prop S allows the operation of numerous, large-scale pot shops in IB. Pot shops would be permitted along any commercial street in our retail and mixed use residential areas – we would have no control over our local zoning. Prop S allows smoking pot onsite for “patients” as young as 18 years old. Creating marijuana hangouts far exceeds any intent of providing access to medical marijuana – the burden of extra law enforcement is at our taxpayer expense. Prop S allows pot shops next to Parks, Playgrounds, Churches and Homes. The only regulation is that they would be located at least 300 feet from each other. Families living in or near any commercial area would be at risk. Prop S violates both state and federal law, and law enforcement has already said it will shut down any pot shops that open in IB.
Marcus Boyd November 1, 2012 at 04:26 pm
Good question, obviously my answer is only hypothetical...
If 3000 (patients) spent x 50 (per month) x 12 (months per year) = $1,800,000 taxable sales per year. A side note worthy of consideration, as the haters start doing their numbers, is cost of cultivation which includes, but not limited to, electrical (VERY HIGH!), indoor grow equipment (very expensive for quality eq.), indoor grow space (rental or owned), failed harvest (varies all costs & very very expensive), water (small cost) and labor (very time consuming to grow medical grade, thus very expensive)
Jack Fisher November 1, 2012 at 07:24 pm
Marcus, does a dispensary grow their own product or is there a state certified farm or farmers. Does $50 really buy a months supply? Thank you for answering my questions.
Marcus Boyd November 2, 2012 at 11:16 am
Prop S Town Hall Meeting video has been released on Patch, unedited and in its entirety.
VIDEO: http://imperialbeach.patch.com/blog_posts/video-prop-s-town-hall-meeting#youtube_video-12007401
John Galt November 2, 2012 at 11:34 am
NO on POOP S
No matter what spin, and how much out of town money is spent, it is BAD for IMPERIAL BEACH.
Jack Fisher November 3, 2012 at 02:13 am
Marcus, I spoke to a young man who I work with (22yrs old with no illness but has his car because he just likes to smoke pot) and he said that your figures are much too low for the amount of revenue that a dispensary would possibly take in. He said that he and some of his friends spend close to $40-50 per week for pot. So I think your numbers would be closer to 2,500,000-3,000,000 per year. As a business owner I would think you could make a lot of money operating a dispensary, even if your are a "non-profit" .
Libi Uremovic November 3, 2012 at 11:12 am
cali weed comes from the north....all farmers that want to sell in stores must be licensed through the state ..
how much a patient uses depends on the patient and the problem....my neighbor is an old woman so a $2.00 joint last her a week... maybe she spends $10/month... you also asked about the money a retailer making $300-400,000/yr... i guess it's possible...but a $50 retail purchase isn't all profit - you have to deduct the wholesale price, licenses, building rent, utilities, and employee costs... ...and of course that's if you can get a permit to open the store... i gotta tell you jack - i don't understand how an individual making money legally in this state is a negative.... regardless of how much they make.... wal mart comes in with products from china, takes the communities' money and ships it out of our state & country and everyone cheers them on.... god has blessed us with a plant that grows in our soil and can help millions of people ....all of the money stays in our state ....
Jack Fisher November 4, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Libi, I have no problem with anyone operating a legal business, regardless of what product they sell, but it needs to be legit. My biggest problem has been that the Yes on S side has not just come out and said, like you have, that they want a dispensary in IB so they can get their pot because they just like to smoke pot. Not because the sick and the dying need it, which I truely believe that those patients exsist but they are a small minority (like 10-20%). I want, like you want from our CIty, transparancy in the reasons that the Yes on S want to have dispensaries in Imperial Beach. No bait and switch, no tugging at the emotional heart strings of voters, just come out and say what most of us know is the truth. I believe that your elderly neighbor is on the very low end of cost per month for her weed. I know that opening any business here in Imperial Beach or in California for that matter is difficult and risky and I applaud anyone who does so and want them to succeed. I believe in buying local and try my best to do so.
Libi Uremovic November 4, 2012 at 02:49 pm
i have a medical card for weed....maybe i'm not 'sick enough' for you...
but i prefer to use weed instead of pills or booze ... i don't 'shut down' like a normal person.... even with weed i only sleep a few hours at a time, but without weed i can only get an hour or 2 of sleep in a day ... a person has to get at least 4 or 5 hours of sleep to rest the body or they will develop physical & mental health problems... yes, i could consume pills or booze - but i don't drink and my personal belief is that man-made chemicals in the body are far worse than a plant... i didn't mean to mislead you about the money - the cost of the plant ranges from $100 - $400/oz ..... i spend about $400/month ..... someone like vhe the cost would be more... i don't use pills, but i understand that the costs can run very high... people can use weed instead of other pills ...or a series of other pills.... ...because that's the motto of the pill industry.... you can never eat just one...
Brash Brazen November 4, 2012 at 04:36 pm
A Study by The Journal of School Health published in August determined that contrary to past research "alcohol" is the "gateway drug" not marijuana ! In fact a high school senior who's had a "single drink" is 13 times more likely to use tobacco or cocaine & 16 times as likely to use marijuana ! Ironically most of those who are opposed to cannabis dispensaries have been consuming the "gateway drug" in vast quantities & exposing their children to it for decades ! Any teenager who wants to smoke marijuana is doing so now & there have been several studies showing no correlation between cannabis dispensaries & increased teenage use in those communities ! "Pot Shop" is a derogatory term coined by prohibitionists & repeated by the clueless with bias & malice aforethought to ridicule & belittle a serious medical & legal issue ! The correct term is medical marijuana dispensary (the term "Pot Shop or Club" is found no where in the pertinent statutes) & I would suggest that the naysayers familiarize themselves with the law as bans are now illegal ! These haters hate everything about marijuana & everyone who uses it;well the feelings are mutual & distribution may well be followed shortly by retribution as any one obstructing state law will suffer the consequences ! Don't be swayed by a few vocal self-righteous simpletons pining for the 1950's,80% of Californians support the use of medical marijuana & patients are entitled to "safe & legal access" by law ! Let's send a message - YES on S
Jack Fisher November 5, 2012 at 01:42 am
Alex, thanks for speaking up, especially as someone who has owned a dispensary. I'm glad that you can honestly say that most users do so for their overall well being, not just for the sick. I have no doubt that you have way more experience and interaction with those who are users that I have or will ever have so your input is great. My percentages were gathered from a half dozen users that I spoke with as well as some of the other information that I asked about. No scientific research or studies just questions being asked. I think we agree that being subjected to "modern" medicine and the over use of prescription drugs is bad for everyone. The pharmacutical compaines run the health care system and like to mask the symptoms and not fix the problems. Holistic healing has been around since Adam and Eve and is used widely outside of the USA. I know the results are well documented and are effective. Can I ask though, how profitable was your business? Was it worth the time and energy you put into it to operate under the radar in order to not be closed down?
Frank Mockery November 5, 2012 at 04:02 am
18 year olds are adults,they can vote & they can die for their country ! Why shouldn't they be entitled to the same rights as those whose ovaries have dried up or those who need Viagra to get it up ? Hundreds of patients smoke marijuana in Imperial Beach everyday,why should they be forced to leave town to buy it when they bring it back here to use anyway ? Upon closer inspection none of the arguments against the dispensaries have any merit at all & Health & Safety Code 11362.768 says that storefront collectives are legal everywhere in California & have been for years ! The matter has been fought in the courts,the patients have won & the days of attacking & disrespecting us are over at last ! Personally I hope the city defies the law,because my attorney thinks we could get a civil judgement in the hundreds of thousands of dollars against the city if they refuse to comply ! In fact since the present ban isn't enforceable you could open a dispensary on election day & if they close it you could file suit before the polls close ! I cite the law,I reference the statutes & yet those who are opposed pay no attention to the law & just keep repeating the same repugnant & repudiated rhetoric ! They're angry & oblivious to everything except their irrational fear of something they know absolutely nothing about ! Fortunately most of them won't sober up enough on election day to find their polling places,much less vote on this important issue ! It's 2012 for God's sake - Vote Yes on S !!!!
John Galt November 5, 2012 at 07:53 am
Alex et al, if you don't LIVE in IB, why are you telling us how to vote?
Again - Carpet baggers are trying to ruin our city. Vote NO ON POOP S. Thank you
Isla Parida lodge Panama November 5, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Because I can ....
Prop S will pass by a landslide.......
Surf Cali November 5, 2012 at 12:40 pm
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ come on Cheech, we all know you just want to make smoking weed legal. But you can drive 3 blocks outside of IB to do it. Smoking weed cures Nothing. It just make you forget about being sick. and going to work and watching your kids and doing anything other than eating burritos and watching Scooby Doo, grow up people please.
Isla Parida lodge Panama November 5, 2012 at 01:00 pm
Great video http://youtu.be/Paa6AX5F8Xw
Note Article
Just a short thought to get the word out quickly about anything in your neighborhood.
Share something with your neighbors. Write a new post... What's up? Make an announcement, speak your mind, or sell something
Marcus Boyd June 17, 2013 at 05:41 pm
My daughter made one for me on her laptop... now I see why! Lucky me though, it was one-of-a-kind!
Vanessa Olvera June 18, 2013 at 10:12 am
I contributed to this lack of cards.
ibcalif June 17, 2013 at 01:10 pm
Poor Tom still unhappy when pet owners DO pick up after their pets?? Yes, Tom, kids do play on theirRead More parents lawns. And on all their neighbors lawn. And in the streets. And on their cars. And demand their neighbors pay for parks programs so the kids parents don't have to. It must be that "we all live in the same community" thing and have to get along thing, eh? Yes, you are as "wierd" (sic) as you guessed. BTW, nice bragging about threatening to make someone eat dog crap from your yard.
Ed Kravitz June 17, 2013 at 01:56 pm
Wow...another flying monkey just flew bye!
Tammy Petersen Jenkins June 18, 2013 at 06:53 pm
My faith has been restored. Looking outside my kitchen window this a.m. I saw a man walking his dogRead More with a bucket and pick-up grabber. I couldn't believe my eyes. He was cleaning up all of the dog feces along the estuary on Seacoast. I will keep my eyes out for him again so that I can go out and personally thank him for his great volunteer work. What a great IB resident!!
Ed Kravitz June 16, 2013 at 08:34 pm
You could call Pacifica Companies...Maybe Alison Rolfson? You could call your local City CouncilRead More Representative or go to the Council Meeting early on Wednesday evening and fill out a speakers card and post the same question to the City Council. Share with us what you find out! (If Anything?) Tell them you don't care for the way they pick City Attorneys, City Managers or replacement Council Members in closed session while you're at it.
TV in IB
Jim June 7, 2013 at 10:58 am
This is a delaying tactic. They are going to try to appease enough of the groups to break up theRead More coalition. The IBCC has given away millions to some of the richest men in San Diego County. Why are the people forced to take a hair cut on the budget crisis. Let the city employees who stood by and did nothing while getting raises as IB was looted. Sincerely, IBMad@madenoughyet.com
Marcus Boyd June 7, 2013 at 11:46 am
Thank you for posting this. Great job to all who were involved with the Alternative Solution to IBRead More Sports Park Privatization Planning Committee. While the above referenced "delaying tactic" is likely true, it will be up to the community's grassroots activism to force the council to a public decision on the issue. Their "delaying tactic" comes with a price in 2014 - when two council seats and the mayors seat is up for grabs. Who's interested?
Ed Kravitz June 7, 2013 at 01:42 pm
Mayor Janney seems anguished at finding a process he can still control ? Probably so he can finishRead More the deal and deliver the goods; per the previous DONE DEAL. He acts like; No matter what process they do, the only decision will be YMCA. 16:08 Janney: "We can appoint our plants on the committee?" Gary Brown: "Oh Yea!" "OH YEA!" _____________________________________ If the YMCA took over ownership of Municipal Property and then went Bankrupt....would tax-payer assets be sold off to the highest bidder via Bankruptcy Proceedings? Maybe the YMCA is going to pass the properties through to another entity that will buy them out when they file for planned future bankruptcy? Hey ...If the YMCA is running the Municipal Pools in Chula Vista and National City now...maybe they'd like to build a pool for Imperial Beach with their own money; since all the Imperial Beach RDA money went for "OTHER PROJECTS"? Is this a classic struggle over who controls the children in the community?
10News Hidden Camera
Melissa Jacobson June 5, 2013 at 08:15 pm
@ john 10 news found expired canned food from December..
John Galt June 5, 2013 at 09:06 pm
Melissa - I know that. My comment is saying that canned goods keep past the expiration date justRead More fine. It is the processed meats in the cold sections that concern me most, followed by produce.
Kelly Tracy June 6, 2013 at 09:03 am
I have been here in IB for ten years and maybe shopped at moldies/Wallys a dozen times 9 of thoseRead More were for wine. The first experience at walley was a sale on bad meat for a BBQ and yogurt that was expired the second time was canned goods that were on sale and I was charged full price the third time was a watermelon well at least the mellon was good ;-/ we need a Whole foods or Trader Joes in IB
Erika Lowery June 11, 2013 at 12:23 pm
Is there any update? I see the flyers as I go around town and I worry about her.
Pat P June 12, 2013 at 07:30 am
Have you checked Chula Vista AC on Beyer? They pick up dogs in IB that are loose.
Agenta Nines June 13, 2013 at 10:10 pm
i seen a dog that looked like her in a yard on the corner of elder and 3rd. small house. It might beRead More their dog. but it is worth driving by
The Imperial Beach Optimist Club invites you!
IB Candy June 12, 2013 at 12:13 am
I didn't know the actual name of the event was "The Port of San Diego Sun & Sea FestivalRead More Imperial Beach" ...and i'm on the steering committee. HA!